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christisthelight
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ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED???!!!The false doctrine of "Once Saved, Always Saved" seems to have blossomed with Fundamentalist Christians although it's origins date back to 16th century Calvinism. The perfect example of how this doctrine is false is Judas Iscariot. He believed in Jesus Christ, walked with Him, was one of the Twelve and was given the same powers from Him as the others. Yet what Christian believes that Judas Iscariot went to Heaven? According to this doctrine, I would say Fundamentalist Christians would have to believe Judas is in Heaven as he more than met the requirements of salvation according to this doctrine.
Another good example is Lucifer (Satan) - abided in Heaven, knew God Himself, lived with God Himself yet he was not "saved" when given the opportunity for he now resides in Hell as punishment for the sin of pride. This sin occurred after having known and accepted God.
In my opinion, this doctrine helps Satan greatly by instilling a false sense of security and self-confidence among Christians concerning their salvation. They think they can't sin anymore and even if they do, no punishment will be due them as Christ paid for all our sins. This makes it much easier for Satan to tempt us with the sin of presumption.
How can we be assured of our own salvation if St. Paul wasn't (1 Corinthians 9:27)?
Salvation is not a "one time" event, but an ongoing process until "the end" (Matthew 10:22; 24:13; Mark 13:13)
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AliveinJesus
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JudusI believe in once saved, always saved and it’s a true teaching and I have an article on this thread somewhere.
I clearly believe that Judas wasn’t saved when Jesus said of him in Matt 26:24 The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born. | Quote: | | He believed in Jesus Christ, walked with Him, was one of the Twelve and was given the same powers from Him as the others. |
You quoted right from Luke 9:1-6.
Judas had shallow human faith in believing in Jesus but not the true faith from God which we see clearly from the gospels, he was not saved but just a follower.
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AliveinJesus
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Satan | Quote: | | Another good example is Lucifer (Satan) - abided in Heaven, knew God Himself, lived with God Himself yet he was not "saved" when given the opportunity for he now resides in Hell as punishment for the sin of pride. |
I believe Satan wasn’t cast in to hell but cast out of heaven, he still wants to be sitting on the throne above that of God, Isaiah 14: 13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
You see Satan is behind every false cult even the cult of Rome and is deceiving you and the millions of members of the Church of Rome, he is taken you all to hell with him because we know from future prophesy in Revelations 20:10 that Satan is doomed for eternity in Hell with you. So I pray for your salvation and this group and ministry will show you the true way of salvation and be convicted by the Holy Spirit to turn to Jesus.
| Quote: | | How can we be assured of our own salvation if St. Paul wasn't (1 Corinthians 9:27)? |
Read the whole chapter and get the whole context…
| Quote: | | Salvation is not a "one time" event, but an ongoing process until "the end" (Matthew 10:22; 24:13; Mark 13:13) |
Being Born Again is a one time event and it’s the work of the Holy Spirit and we are made justified before God and sanctified being made holy till the day we go to be with the Lord. Your verses are nice it shows being born again isn’t a bed of roses but it is a battle with the devil and his demons that is why in Ephesians we are told to keep our armour on and battle against these forces that hate God.
Peter
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Sosthenes
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Re: ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED???!!! | christisthelight wrote: | The false doctrine of "Once Saved, Always Saved" seems to have blossomed with Fundamentalist Christians although it's origins date back to 16th century Calvinism.
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How can we be assured of our own salvation if St. Paul wasn't (1 Corinthians 9:27)?
Salvation is not a "one time" event, but an ongoing process until "the end" (Matthew 10:22; 24:13; Mark 13:13) |
In order to interpret the Bible, you should always go to the clear verses of the Bible rather than the unclear verses of the Bible to interpret the Bible:
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
The verse is clear and says "whosoever believeth in him should not perish but HAVE everlasting life." It doesn't say, "might have" or could have" but it says, "***hath***" everlasting life. That might be a big shock to you that it is so clear like that.
Other clear verses are:
John 5:24 ¶ Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
"These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the son of God."-1 John 5:13
You seem to not know that you can have eternal life by believing on Jesus Christ. Is that because you don't believe?
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