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PostPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 11:36 am    Post subject: United Pentecostal Church - articles on this movement Reply with quote

PLACING FAITH IN THE BAPTIZER, NOT THE BAPTISM
One Man's Exodus from The United Pentecostal Church
- by David Vivas, Jr.

 "Am I your brother in Christ, yes  or  no?"  asked  Dr.  Walter
Martin in a debate with United Pentecostal Church representatives
Nathaniel Urshan and Robert Sabin, which took place on the  "John
Ankerberg Show" in 1985.  As I sat and observed Brother  Urshan's
reluctance to give a direct response to  the  question,  my  mind
pondered  in  dismay  over  the  fact   that   my   own   General
Superintendent would not answer, "No, you are not my  brother  in
Christ."  This would have been a common response  coming  from  a
Oneness adherent to a Trinitarian believer.

 I would like to share with you  my  experience  in  the  United
Pentecostal Church.  The intentions of this article  are  not  to
bash Oneness believers, but rather to help inform  the  Christian
Church of the dangers that exist in legalistic movements  of  our
day.

 I was raised in the Assemblies of  God.   My  mother,  who  was
Catholic, had intentions of sending me to  the  Catholic  Church.  
My father, who was Protestant, would not allow my mother to  send me
to the Catholic Church.  Instead, he sent me every Sunday with his
parents to Sunday School at the Assemblies of God.  My mother and
father were saved several years  later,  and  we  attended  a
Pentecostal Church in a nearby  city.   I  was  involved  in  the
church and saw 15 of my high school friends saved.  By this  time I
was 15 years old.  At school I  began  encountering  classmates who
attended the United Pentecostal Church in our  city.   I  had
countless discussions with them on the subjects  of  the  godhead
and water baptism.  After several vigorous attempts to respond to
their Oneness claims and the many scriptures on water baptism,  I
became persuaded of their theology, and even went as  far  as  to
doubt my salvation.

 I became very angry and bitter with  my  parents,  pastor,  and
Sunday school teachers whom I thought had led me in error since I
was a child.  I was told by the UPC  that  the  doctrine  of  the
Trinity was in actuality a belief in  "three  Gods."   They  also
told me that I had been baptized the  wrong  way.  They  insisted
that the name Jesus Christ must be spoken over an individual when
being baptized and that those who have been baptized in the  name
of  the  Father,  Son,  and  Holy  Spirit  had  been  erroneously
baptized.  They asked me to show them in the Bible  where  anyone
was  baptized in the  Triune  formula  and  insisted  that  every
instance of biblical baptism  occurred  "in  the  name  of  Jesus
Christ," (that is, with the name pronounced over them).

 I soon told my parents of my  decision  to  attend  the  United
Pentecostal Church.  They opposed my decision.  By  this  time  I
had attended the UPC on several different occasions  without  the
consent of my parents.  After becoming  aware  of  my  excursions
they grew concerned.  After my first few visits, I was determined
to be baptized "the right way" so that I could surely be saved.

 Since my attending the UPC went against  my  father's  will,  I
moved out of my parents' home at age 16.  As a  result,  I  found
myself living with different members of the church.  Three months
later, I was set up on the platform for preaching purposes.

 I became heavily indoctrinated with various books and materials
published by the UPC.  I devoted my  time  to  the  listening  of
debate tapes  between  Oneness  preachers  and  Trinitarians.   I
learned all the Oneness responses to  Trinitarian  theology,  and
became dogmatically opposed to  Trinitarians.   In  August  1989,
after being a part of the ministerial  staff  of  the  local  UPC
church, I became licensed with the  organization.   I  started  a
prison ministry in which about 75 inmates were  baptized  in  two
years.  I was very zealous with church  activities.

I was familiar with Dr. Walter Martin and had obtained a  number
of his writings and tapes.  Although  I  didn't  believe  he  was
saved at the time,  I  admired  his  knowledge  in  the  area  of
comparative religions.  Upon hearing of Dr. Martin's  passing  in
June of  1989,  I  attended  his  Memorial  service  in  Southern
California. During the Memorial  Service,  I  was  moved  by  the
comments made by different individuals concerning  him,  and  was
battling in my mind how I was to consider this man  lost  and  in
error, when his  very  life  and  ministry  had  helped  so  many
thousands through the years.  Yet, I could  not  compromise  with
what I thought was the "Truth."

 I was loaned a video of the debate mentioned above  which  took
place on "The John Ankerberg Show" ("The Trinity or 'Jesus Only':
What Do The Scriptures Teach?").  My  first  impressions  of  the
debate left me disappointed.  Dr. Martin  and  Cal  Beisner  were
very thorough in  their  presentation  and  defense  of  Orthodox
Christianity,  while  in  my  prideful  opinion,  the  opposition
delivered a  poor  defense  of  Oneness  theology.   So  to  more
effectively  present  and  defend  Oneness  doctrines,  I   began
investing in scholarly works in the areas of Church  History  and
Word  Studies  in  Hebrew  and  Greek.   To  my  astonishment,  I
discovered several faulty interpretations of  church  history  as
taught by the UPC.  There  were  also  a  number  of  grammatical
discrepancies of certain key passages that had gone by  unnoticed
and are in fact used to distort the meaning within the context of
the passage.

 During the last year of my involvement with the UPC, I analyzed
the teachings of my local church.  We were taught  by  our  local
pastor that he was  going  to  answer  for  us  on  Judgment  Day
concerning our lives and personal experiences with God.  We  were
taught that if we missed a church service, we would have to  give
an account to God as to why we missed.  We were discouraged  from
attending family outings on a church night.  When wanting  to  do
so, members young and old alike, had to ask permission  from  the
pastor.  More often than not, the answer was  "no."   "Where  are
your priorities," he would ask, "to God or  your  family?"   This
would engender a sense of guilt among the members of the  church.
Scriptures were manipulated and effectively  used  to  intimidate
members who consequently had no rights or say-so.  The pastor was
always right, because he proclaimed himself "the man of God"  who
was not to be questioned.

 In my experience I wanted to attend a  Memorial  Service  of  a
relative.  I was asked by the pastor if it was  really  necessary
for me to attend since it was on a  church  night.   He  answered
"Let the dead bury the dead."  Needless to say I  was  in  church
that night. I found that not only did he manipulate scripture and
coerce the people but was in fact acting as a dictator.

 There were also the extremes of legalism which  exist  in  most
United Pentecostal congregations. Men were not permitted to  wear
mustaches, women were not allowed to wear pants or  slacks,  make
up, jewelry or cut their hair.  And neither  could  wear  sleeves
above the elbows. These were all considered "Holiness Standards."
Television was disapproved of since it was considered "a pipeline
from hell into the home."  To violate any of these  standards,  a
member was considered to be rebellious  and  disobedient  to  the
Word of God, not to mention their pastor. It became  a  salvation
of works rather than grace. If a  person  did  not  follow  these
standards, they could not possibly  be  saved.   The  church  was
governed by modern-day Phariseeism.

 Looking back now, I can see the bondage of the people caused by
presumed self-righteousness  --  which  they  flaunted  by  their
"holy" attire.  It became, as the Apostle Paul said,  "...a  form
of godliness" (II Timothy 3:5).

 Another incident happened that further disturbed me.  Different
people from our  local  church  left  to  attend  another  United
Pentecostal Church and were informally  disfellowshipped  because
they did so.  We were taught  that  we  must  attend  the  church
wherein we were "saved."  If  one  left  the  local  assembly  to
attend another Oneness Church, they were  considered  rebels  and
lost, thus the disfellowshiping.

 I knew that this teaching was not even  remotely  Biblical.   I
then began to thoroughly re-examine the teachings of the  church.
These and other situations prompted me to analyze  the  teachings
of the organization as a whole. I asked a friend of mine (who was
a disfellowshipped member attending a nearby  United  Pentecostal
Church) to once again review with me the Ankerberg  debate,  this
time, with open hearts, open minds, and unbiased intentions.

 All  of  the  evidences  given  by  Martin  and  Beisner   were
irrefutable.  We checked out many of  the  references  and  found
them to be accurate and correct.  Martin explained  many  of  the
passages the UPC representatives  quoted.  For  example  in  John
10:30 Jesus said, "I and my Father are one."   Oneness  adherents
maintain that this proves Jesus and the Father  are  one  person.
Yet Martin brought out that the  Greek  in  this  passage  reads:
"...we are in union." (See further a Greek Interlinear  Bible  in
this passage for the  Greek  word  "esmen."   It  translates  "we
are.")  Deuteronomy 6:4  was  also  quoted.   Again,  Martin  and
Beisner explained that the Hebrew word for "one" in this  passage
is "echad" -- meaning a compound unity.

 Finally, at the end  of  the  program  Martin  asked  Nathaniel
Urshan if all those who had been baptized in the "Triune formula"
were lost and going to hell.  Urshan  expressed  his  uncertainty
with a hesitant response.  My stomach turned because  the  answer
should have been an emphatic: "Yes! They are lost  and  going  to
hell."  The UPC emphatically teaches that one  must  be  baptized
with the name Jesus Christ pronounced over  them.   Further,  one
must speak in tongues as the essential evidence of  being  filled
with the Holy Spirit.  One could  not  be  saved  otherwise.   In
addition, members  must  follow  the  legalism  taught  in  their
church, be it shaving off one's mustache or wearing sleeves below
the elbow, or for women refraining from wearing pants,  cosmetics
jewelry, and so forth.  Therefore it then becomes a salvation  by
works, and not by grace.

 What I never  understood  was  how  one  who  believed  in  the
Trinity, and yet was filled with the Holy Spirit, could be  lost.
"How could the Holy  Spirit  dwell  in  an  unclean  temple?",  I
thought. Sins were washed  away  only  after  being  immersed  in
water.  The Scriptures did not teach baptismal regeneration as  I
was taught  to  believe.   This  doctrine  was  contrary  to  the
biblical concept of salvation by grace.

 I was deliberating at this time whether to  continue  with  the
UPC or withdraw membership.  I finally decided one month later to
turn in  my  ministerial  license  with  the  UPC.   At  first  I
questioned my decision.  I felt as though my  very  soul  was  in
jeopardy. But I just could not deny the  evidence  of  Scripture.
What was I to listen to?  My pastor?  The UPC?  No! The  Word  of
God!  The Bible was clear in Ephesians 2:8-9, "For by  grace  are
ye saved through faith; and that not of  yourselves;  it  is  the
gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast."

 I could not deny the  fruit  of  the  Spirit  I  saw  in  other
Christians who were not United Pentecostal.  This began  to  bear
witness with my spirit and  consequently  appeased  my  unsettled
conscience. I learned a very  valuable  lesson  when  I  realized
God's love  was  unconditional!   The  local  UPC  pastor  taught
members to have nothing to do with those  who  left  the  church.
Upon leaving the church, I was marked "off-limits" to the general
membership and considered to have reached a  reprobate  state.  I
deduced by this their love for me and former members  was  purely
and unmistakably conditional.

 The Bible encourages us to: "Prove all  things,  hold  fast  to
that which is good" (1 Thessalonians  5:21).   Even  the  Apostle
Paul said in 1 Corinthians 10:15 "...judge for yourselves what  I
say." 1 John 4:1 exclaims, "Beloved, believe  not  every  spirit,
but try the spirits whether they are of God: because  many  false
prophets are gone out into the world."  Finally,  we  are  to  be
like the Bereans in Acts 17:11 "...they searched  the  scriptures
daily, whether those things were so."

 If you are in the United Pentecostal Church or some other  form
of legalistic movement, and are disturbed by what goes on, do not
be afraid to stand up for truth.

 The members of the local UPC church I attended  looked  to  the
Pastor as the authority figure.  Members would not  question  his
stand on any particular issue, for fear of being marked.  Members
could not go on a vacation or miss a church service  without  the
pastor's permission.  He became their  dictator  and  ruled  over
them with unchallenged authority.  The  Bible  does  not  support
this.  (See further, Matthew 20:25-27; 1 Peter 5:3.)  If this  is
the situation you find yourself in, and want out, there  is  hope
for you. I began to see that the general attitude of the UPC as a
whole, likened itself  to  that  of  the  Pharisees  of  the  New
Testament.  They appeared outwardly to men  as  being  holy,  but
their insides were corrupt and rotten. (See further, Matthew 23.)

 Now that I am out of the  UPC,  I  have  found  out  what  true
liberty in Christ is.  My identity is now with The Baptizer,  and
not with "a baptism."   My  sincere  prayer  for  those  who  are
trapped inside of a legalistic movement, such as the UPC, is  for
them to come out and experience what true freedom in  Christ  is,
and that in their search for truth, they will come  to  know  Him
who is Truth.

 Should you have any questions concerning my experiences  before
and after my decision to leave the UPC, please don't hesitate  to
call me at: (805) 721-1914.

Personal  Freedom  Outreach, P.O. Box 26062, Saint Louis, Missouri
63136.




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